Curves Franchise For Women - - Who Would Buy THAT?
I have had quite a fun time reading Sean’s post’s over at FranchisePick.com. The one that I’ve spent most of my Sunday evening perusing is his overview of the Curves Franchise.
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While on my journey to find health and get in shape, Curves crossed my mind as one of the possible places to pump iron and get my Rocky Balboa on! But without all of the analysis reports, membership contests or franchise opportunities that exist on Sean’s blog, as a female business owner, I just have to wonder (in my finite mind), why in the world would any woman choose to buy a Curves franchise. I mean, consider this:
They’re never open. I pass by the local franchise here several times a day running errands and what not. They are NEVER open during what one would consider peak hours. Like, 8:00 a.m., Noon and 3:00 p.m., you know, like when the mom’s kids are in school and that’s when they can WORK OUT! When I went in to inquire about membership (that one time), they told me their hours were 10:00-1:00 p.m., then they close for lunch (huh?), then they reopen again at 4:00 p.m. and close at 7:00 p.m. What customer are they trying to attract? Their friends?
They charge $29 a month to go around in a
circlecircuit for 30 minutes. The local real gym charges $37 and offers spin classes, yoga, elliptical machines, treadmills, bikes, tanning booths and even massage therapists. You get the picture. Why would a customer pay about the same for less services and less available time? Why?The people there are way too friendly. I mean, I’m all for pleasantness and customer service and everything, but there’s just something creepy about someone being so **gleeful** ALL of the time. Be regular. That’s all I’m saying.
And finally, there’s no childcare offered. I would bet that many of the women who join Curves are…can you imagine…MOMS! Yes, that’s right, they’re moms who are joining a gym to help find their waistlines again and get in shape. Now, if I’m already a tired, stressed and time-deprived mom and want to just steal away for about 30-45 minutes for some much-needed exercise, pray tell Ms. Curves Franchise Owner, what should I do with my child(ren)? Tell me again, who is it that you’re trying to attract as a customer?
OK, so the Curves franchise idea for women is useless. If you were thinking about it, don’t do it. Buy one, that is. Or join one either for that matter.
Now, who is their target customer again?
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40 opinions for Curves Franchise For Women - - Who Would Buy THAT?
Crystal Unrau
Apr 23, 2008 at 11:38 am
I would say basing your opinion of a franchise on what your local one does is not good business sense. Here are some of my thoughts:
Hours: the franchise owner sets the hours. Our local curves is open 6 am-9pm with no lunch breaks.
Price: yes, the other gyms are only a little more and have more options but I joined one of those once and was so overwhelmed by all the options that I basically just rode the bike anyway. The point of curves is that it is fast, simple and complete. You don’t need all that extra stuff. Curves isn’t meant for women who want to be fitness buffs. Curves is meant for real women, who just want to be active, and don’t have a lot of time to invest in learning all types of different options, etc. When I first joined curves, I learned the entire route in one session. After that - I showed up, did my 30 minutes - and I was done. I got a better workout then I was getting at the old gym, in less time, and for less money. Of course, my old gym didn’t offer things like massage and tanning either. It did offer classes but again, I don’t have time for that anyway so that wasn’t beneficial to me.
Over-Friendly: Again - that’s your branch. Mine doesn’t have that problem. The staff are great - nice, but they mind their own business unless you need them.
Childcare: I think this is a universal thing, I believe I asked about it once. It is the one drawback. My old gym did have childcare, though I had to pay extra for it. But, my location has more reasonable hours so I will usually go in the morning before DH goes to work, or in the evening after supper while DH gets the kids to bed. That works for me:) I do agree, if they offered childcare, it would be a little easier for moms with young kids.
Target Market: Women who don’t have the time or interest in spending the time to figure out different routines/classes/etc. They want something simple and quick. They just want to get in, get it done, and get back to their day.
Diane
Apr 23, 2008 at 11:48 am
Most of the Curves I’ve seen in the last 4 towns I’ve lived in have also had very unreliable business hours. That’s just the way it is in the small rural areas because they are getting less business. It’s not a good business practice to let the franchise owner’s determine hours…there needs to be consistency. Also, it costs about $150 or something equally ridiculous just to register…not including the monthly fee. Usually it’s also a contract that you cannot get out of, so there’s a lot of money being wasted. I think Curves has the wrong idea about what most women want and need. For those who want the half hour circuit…the local gyms all offer that too, for less money and free (usually) childcare.
Miki
Apr 23, 2008 at 12:22 pm
Every gym I ever talked to had a contract. The big difference I find at Curves is that I actually go—six times a week—which totally amazes me. I’ve heard that Curves original target audience was older women. My Curves is in a small community (12,000) and is regularly open 6-8 and Sat 8-12. Erratic hours are the fault of the owner, or possibly the owner knows the hours his/her patrons want? I don’t think Curves is for everyone, but I’ve never found another gym that I would used. Interesting that the pros are Curves members and the ‘it’s no good’ folks aren’t (unless I misread). As to a business opportunity, buying a franchise doesn’t get you off the hook for building and running it well.
jennydecki
Apr 23, 2008 at 12:31 pm
When I asked about childcare at my local Curves I was told that the women they get in already have childcare because they are 9-5ers - the hours are so they can come in before work, on a lunch hour, or after work.
It made sense to me that this demographic, busy and trying to get to work on time or pick up a child from daycare after work would only have 30 minutes to go in a circle.
When you go down the street to the local gym you have too many options depending on your lifestyle. I think they’re targeting people who want to exercise but absolutely do not want to think about it. Options can create confusion.
I would never buy a Curves (or any other gym) franchise, but I do see where it is a great option in an area where there are a lot of corporate moms, or busy, busy, busy (heart attack at 50) corporate women.
Diane
Apr 23, 2008 at 1:28 pm
It makes sense to me if it’s true that their target is older women. I have spoken with many happy Curves customers, usually empty-nesters who don’t have to worry about childcare. I have thought of joining before…but when would I go? On the lunch hour would be great if they had dressing rooms and such, but they don’t. After work doesn’t work if you commute and have kids of all ages to deal with in the evening. The most enjoyable time I had working out was when I belonged to a regular gym…dropped oldest kiddo at school, had youngest in gym’s childcare and worked out for a half hour in cardio and a half hour in the “curves” room where only women were allowed. Most gyms will have this type of set up. If I were a working mom, I could shower and get ready for work at the gym and head out…but instead I went home and showered and went on with my work at home day. I wouldn’t buy a Curves franchise only because the target customer is limited…and there are the bad franchisees out there giving it a bad name (by only keeping it open a few hours a day). I am interested in knowing how this compares with the new “Butterfly Life” that I’ve seen advertised lately…
Kristen King
Apr 23, 2008 at 6:54 pm
I have a friend who’s like late 20s/early 30s with no kids who loves it, but no one else I’ve ever talked to has had anything positive to say. Nothing overtly negative, but just bland Ehhhhhhhs across the board. Not exactly wild enthusiasm. I won’t be rushing right out to make a franchise purchase anytime soon, that’s for sure.
kk
Bridget Wright
Apr 23, 2008 at 10:03 pm
Well, Crystal, I can’t help but to base my opinion of a franchised company on the local one because that’s all I have to go by. When franchises sign contracts, they agree to uphold the “standards and practices” of the corporation so that the customer can enjoy the benefits and reasons why the franchise are a success. True, franchises have leeway on this (because they are franchises), but the spirit of the franchise’s success rests in representing what they’re trying to establish in their customer base.
If Curves wants to have funky hours, no childcare and cater to the older-age segment, that’s fine. But I do find that hard to imagine it being that way for ALL of their franchises. So therefore, all I have to base my opinion on is what I see here. And, oh yeah, the comments that I see here as well.
Bridget Wright
Apr 23, 2008 at 10:11 pm
@Diane…$150.00????
That IS ridiculous! And you’re right, they do need consistency across the board when it comes to establishing hours for the gym. When a member travels to different locations, they should be able to enjoy the Curves there too with the same expectation of service and hours across the board.
Oh wait.
Who says they care about customers or even if they let memers use their facilities from place to place at different locations?
Sorry. Got Curves confused with a REAL business.
Bridget Wright
Apr 23, 2008 at 10:24 pm
@Mikki, you may be right on that - - that Curves was more geared toward older women. By that I mean, women who don’t have young children or babies in tow so therefore, childcare is not an issue for them. I still take issue with that even because they are totally missing a huge segment of the paying population by limiting themselves to a certain demographic. After all, they don’t allow memberships from men or teens, so they need to maximize as much the possibility of revenue.
I am a paying, money-in-hand, need-the gym-services, can-and-will-go-everyday potential member. With children (but they’re in school). But I am only available during peak hours, since I have limited time during the day while my kids are school and since I (fortunately) work from home. So I just want to work out between 8:00 a.m. when I drop my kids off and 3:00 p.m., when they get off the school bus. There are many, MANY different moms, corporate working women and work-at-home moms like this in my own community.
And they want to cater to a totally different market?
Bridget Wright
Apr 23, 2008 at 10:26 pm
Kristen, don’t buy the franchise OR get a membership!
(Do I sound like a bitter ex-member, or what)?
Bridget Wright
Apr 23, 2008 at 10:33 pm
Now one comment I take issue with is women who want to just “do exercise and not think about it.” I don’t agree. Women want results. Sometimes, they may simply not know WHAT to do, and that’s understandable. But that doesn’t mean they want in and out in a jiffy.
Thirty minutes of exercise is simply not enough, in my opinion. Even cardio work implores you to get your heart rate up and keep it up for 20 solid minutes. At Curves, that just means you have 10 minutes to weight train (which is also encouraged for women), and get out of there!
Real gyms also variety and change, which is also encouraged with any fitness program. Shock the muscles, remember? They offer spin classes, yoga classes, ab classes, etc., etc.
It just stands to reason with me to try and get more bang for your buck. That’s all I’m saying.
Miki
Apr 23, 2008 at 10:38 pm
It seems that the naysayers here aren’t members. I am. Yes, I can attend any Curves; yes, my Curves cares about it’s customers—at least the women who work there do. The owner is an accountant and acts like one—but she would act that way owning any business. Definitely not a people person.
At least if you’re going to bash a business know what your bashing, not just what you read. For many women who aren’t “into” exercising or don’t have much time Curves is great. The company got greedy at corporate level and a lot of owners thought that what they bought was a way to print money.
Curves is a nitch business and serves it’s nitch well, but it’s not going to make its owner rich and its easy to over saturate an area—as has happened.
As to the demographics, the boomers and older are a substantial market, not everything needs to work for Gen X & Y. I have nothing against the gyms with child care and variety and mixed gender, but I have no interest in that environment. And if anyone is interested in talking to a happy Curves user feel free to call me via my URL.
Curves is a nitch business and serves it’s nitch well, but it’s not going to make its owner rich and its easy to over saturate an area—as has happened. That, in turn, kills the business’ reputation and the brand’s value takes a nosedive.
Bridget Wright
Apr 23, 2008 at 10:47 pm
You’re right, Mikki, everything DOESN”T need to to serve Gen X & Y. Right. But, what I’m saying here is, or rather asking, is if Curves has determined its niche market as the boomers, then why don’t they specify that in their advertisements? All I see in their ads is young(er) women, some with children. I have NO problem with where they want to get their money from, but all I’m saying is stop making your (Curves) appeals targeted to what seems like people LIKE ME, and get me in there asking questions only to be disappointed and find out that…no…this isn’t the place for you, lady.
Kristen King
Apr 23, 2008 at 11:10 pm
I think Miki has a point, but I would agree with Bridget that their advertising seems to be targeted more toward younger women in their 30s and 40s, working moms, rather than empty-nesters, which is what Miki seems to be suggesting is more the target. It’s very confusing.
Miki
Apr 23, 2008 at 11:36 pm
Kristen, they started with a nithc, got successful, got greedy—decided that they could be all thing to all people—got stupid. Happens all the time.
Bridget, the segment of Americans who love to go sweat it up at a gym for an hour or two is miniscule compared to those who for whatever reason do nothing.
Curves approach works well for a certain mindset, just as Gold’s works well for a different one. It’s not the gym’s responsibility to only sign up the right mindset, it’s the consumer’s to know which they are. So Curves ads make everyone look young and buff, that’s not the real world, but it’s what EVERY gym shows because that’s what sells.
Most businesses don’t care if you USE thier product, so long as you BUY it. Why expect Curves to be different.
Sean Kelly
Apr 24, 2008 at 12:29 am
On the other hand, how many established businesses can you buy for $1.00? Yes, $1.00:
http://www.franchisepick.com/how-to-buy-a-curves-franchise-for-100-or-less/
I can only speak from the business point of view, since every time I go in to join, they are very rude. Think it’s the moustache?
The problem with Curves is that they cater to the “deconditioned consumer” (industry lingo for you bon-bon-chomping American-Idol watching Couch Tatettes). That’s a huge (no pun intended) market, but after a year of going around in that circle over and over, even the Nascar fans are dizzy. And darn sick of spilling their beer on the stepper thingy. The ones who do make improvement often plateau and move on to a full service club.
Retention is the biggest problem, next to the fact that health club experts know you can’t make money on monthly dues alone. Dues pay the light bill at best, but the classes, personal training, and add-on sales are needed for profitability.
Curves Int’l is so compassionate, they require failing franchisees to notify them by email that they’re closing, and they charge them a $10,000 “Loser Fee” (my term) to close their club.
Bridget, thanks for the attention and the link. Now I’ve given Miki another reason to kick my butt with her Curves-powered foot!
Miki
Apr 24, 2008 at 12:52 am
Not at all, Sean. I just find it hilarious that the exercise crowd really believes that once you do something physical you’ll embrace it as a lifestyle. Never happen to many of us.
The most hilarious thing I find about corporate Curves is that I’m told the founders bill themselves as “Christians” running their company on “Christian” principles. Now, that is pretty funny.
Bridget Wright
Apr 24, 2008 at 1:28 am
I DO believe that once you embrace the exercise lifestyle FULLY, that you are reformed - hallelujah! - - (please laugh).
And Mikki, I too find it unsettling funny that many companies (like Curves) bill themselves as a “Christian” company, hoping to appeal to that mass market of out-of-shape Christians thanking good-ness(!) that there’s a place for “them” now. Makes me want to simply throw up. I feel that it is demoralizing AND an insult to any person of faith to reduce them to being impressed by stunning ads that spout the word “Christian”. But, that’s another soap box, another day…
Sean, you’re absolutely right about those folks who plateau and then move on to a “real” club (I love saying that) and seek to further any results they’ve attained. However, Curves doesn’t tote itself as a fitness liason, but as the end to all ends. I don’t know folks…I just have a MAJOR problem with companies who use tactics to get customers. Not marketing strategies, but tactics. There is a difference.
And just to be fair, I did really, really want to join Curves about a year ago. But, when I learned of the a) weird, crazy, un-customer friendly hours, b) I wouldn’t sweat NEAR as much as I would as if I were doing an intense workout, hence, minimal results (ALERT: You must sweat to expend calories) and c) no childcare, I was a gone customer. I’m not knocking what anyone else has experienced and is happy with (I know you’re happy, Mikki), but I’m just saying, for me those were points that were quite important to me, and I just feel strongly that they are to a greater population as well. I’m not whining because I couldn’t get what I wanted, I’m just saying…I’ve got my money and I’m ready to sign up. It’s as if they’re saying, “Oh, this is not for you and others like you?”
Mikki…if they totally changed their business model tommorrow and 1) added a nursery, 2) added treadmills, ellipticals and free weights and 3) went up by $10 on their membership fee, would you remain a member? Just asking…
Honestly. Tell me what you’d do.
Bridget Wright
Apr 24, 2008 at 1:30 am
Sean, if I could obtain a Curves franchise for $1.00, I’d be all over it. Yes, I sure would. I’d totally change the business model to fit customer demographics like mine and Mikki’s and even Kristen’s friend. It’s not that I dislike Curves (that much), it’s just that I do not agree with the way they advertise and gain customers.
So where can I find one of these $1 franchises? As long as I can work from home…
Bridget Wright
Apr 24, 2008 at 1:34 am
Oh, another soapy issue involving marketing…
I don’t think it’s wise to alienate a part of your demographic that’s reachable and easy to assimilate into your business plan. In other words, since I do professional speaking for a living, it would not be wise of me to only speak to corporate audiences. I need to be able to appeal to other audiences as well as not niche myself in so tight that no one outside of corporate America calls me.
By the same token, I can and should be selective in whom I choose to work with. Say, audiences under 100 people are not engagements that I would accept (for example). But, be careful alienating a demographic for whatever reasons, especially if they can become potential revenue producers AND it doesn’t create more overhead expense for your business.
Miki
Apr 24, 2008 at 1:29 pm
I didn’t say they billed themselves as a Christian company, but that I heard that they espoused those ethics (don’t know if that’s the same thing), but greed got to them, as it’s gotten to many others.
If Curves made the cahnges you want I’d quit. It would become just like every other gym I have no interest in joining.
It’s also, IMHO, grossly stupid for any brand to think that it can appeal to every demographic/person. That’s why nitch marketing and brand image make sense.
Finally, the operating mode described by you and several others represents either the stupidity of individual owners who don’t know how to run a business or some special circumstances of which we’re not aware—most likely the former:)
Kristen King
Apr 24, 2008 at 2:54 pm
Miki, I get the whole niche marketing thing and I recognize that they’re a gym for women hate the gym. It’s not for me, but I’m cool with the basic concept. But who they’re ACTUALLY targeting does not seem to match the demographics of the people I see in their ads. Based on this discussion, I think their ideal member is 10-20 years older than the people in their commercials.
Whether they’re a Christian company or not, I couldn’t tell you. And I suspect that my definition of what it means to be “Christian” and how others may define the same concept will have dramatic differences, so I’ll leave that one alone. Bridget knows what I’m talking about.
Kristen King
Apr 24, 2008 at 2:59 pm
Wait, I just saw Sean’s comment. You actually have to pay to bail out of Curves? That is really, really sucky. Is that, like, normal? I’m not exactly up on franchise practices.
Miki
Apr 24, 2008 at 3:05 pm
Kristen, I totally agree with you that the ads are deceiving, but so is their cereal (which taste like cardboard:) I think that the ads go with the greed. Most of the women I know find them amusing.
The $10K to break a contract is sucky, but you do have to pay to get out of most contracts, so franchises are probably no different. I wonder how they arrived at that figure…Sean?
Miki
Apr 25, 2008 at 2:48 am
Hi again, Kristen. I had another thought about those ads. Other than Dove soap, a few drug ads, and incontinence products, how many over 50 women do you see in ads?
Kristen King
Apr 25, 2008 at 9:15 am
@Miki - Not many. But if you’re targeting a specific age group, it’s stupid not to put the people you’re targeting in your ads! That seems like Advertising 101.
Miki
Apr 25, 2008 at 5:38 pm
Oh Kristen, that is so funny. Do you really think that the billions spent on Viagra and its clones are being bought by guys like the ones in the ads?
Advertising is all about ‘buy X and be like the model’.
Bridget Wright
Apr 25, 2008 at 7:20 pm
Mikki, that’s the point exactly. The people in the ads aren’t their target market for Viagra, but the manufacturer wants consumers to believe that if they take their product, they will look like the (model).
Therefore, it would stand to reason that if you are trying to woo a segment of the population, by offering your product to the widest available audience, you stand a chance of enjoying their business, and their dollars.
Bridget Wright
Apr 25, 2008 at 7:21 pm
If you advertise a product, then the consumer finds out it’s not for them, you risk alienating them against any future product or service offerings, even if they are legit.
Miki
Apr 25, 2008 at 8:37 pm
Right. That’s the premise of advertising—use the product/look like the model, so you don’t want old(er) models.
Bridget, maybe you don’t, but most Americans have a VERY short attention span and little-to-no-memory, so they’re not going to remember it in the future. That’s also why people get elected/re-elected.
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Kristen King
Apr 27, 2008 at 2:42 pm
@Miki, but there are lots of beautiful, fit older women out there. Why not put them in the commercials? It’s not like Curves is the fountain of youth. ;) If you’re 60, you’re not going to come out 45. But if you’re older and overweight, you can come out the same age with a transformed body.
D.
Jun 1, 2008 at 6:16 pm
I have been a loyal and faithful Curves member.
Coming from someone who was a runner and ended up having some pretty significant foot problems that required surgery and a lengthy recovery…I’m so glad Curves was/is there.
I’m finding as I age-I injur easier. I’ve done everything from spinning, swimming, kick boxing, aerobics and have a treadmill and bike and weights at home. I still bike and walk but I love the way I feel after Curves. It is a quality workout-and you can keep going after 30 minutes which I do on occasion. My heart-rate is 70-80% so I am doing some good.
People-everyone just needs to move and guess what I do!! I love that place.
Bridget Wright
Jul 9, 2008 at 7:18 pm
Curves Check-In:
Are there still members out there? Miki, still there?
I think I saw a CLOSED sign on my local Curves here in the community…
Miki
Jul 9, 2008 at 7:49 pm
Bridget, Curves is a franchise. Franchise owners may close; the corporate side may screw up, but that doesn’t mean that all outlets are screwed up. My Curves is doing fine and I go daily. Curves has added a “smart” function that offers computer-monitored personalized workouts (or whatever they’re called). I don’t use that option, but many others do. Happily my Curves is still child-free. I’m sure you would hate it:)
Sean
Jul 16, 2008 at 9:53 am
Miki:
You should interview your childless Curves owner. Ask her if she’ll share her experience as an owner, pros and cons, etc. and then we can do a three-way (or four, if you count both biz chicks.)
I’m speaking of blogging of course. What did you think I meant? What?
Let’s try to keep this professional, Miki.
Biz Chicks: You really should weigh-in (so to say) on the Mary Kay controversy over at Franchise Pick. It’s the Kaybots vs. the Pink Truthers in a cosmetological cage match. It might get ugly, but with some touch up they’ll be fine.
Bridget Wright
Jul 16, 2008 at 11:34 am
Sean, if we do a three (or four)-way, who gets to lead?
me, me, me!
Hey, Sean where’s the link on the pink (controversy)?
Take…me…to…your…leader.
Miki
Jul 16, 2008 at 1:05 pm
But Sean, you’re so exciting and professional is b-o-r-i-n-g.
As to my Curves owner, I’ve heard that she is somewhere in the midwest (Michagan?), is an accountant and owns several Curves. What I’ve seen is that she’s a bean-counter with no idea of people, good management or smart marketing. The Curves I go to prospers (I think) in spite of her, not because.
If you really wnat to interview her I can see about getting you contact info, just please keep in mind that this is a place that I attend daily, so if you’re planning to tear Curves down/her up in some way I’d rather not help.
Alohapuella
Aug 7, 2008 at 5:01 pm
Bridget cracks me up! I used to belong to a Curves that was open from 7am-7:30pm M-Th, 7am-6:30pm F, and 8am-12noon S. No one ever complianed about hours or childcare(there were a lot of members with young children who worked out in the early am, during lunch, or after dinner)!!! I have been a member at Curves, YMCA, Planet Fitness, and Momentum….I think I’m going back to Curves. I want to work every muscle group and I can’t do that in just a little bit of time at any of those other places. If I can’t do it in 45 min or less then I won’t do it and then my body will never change. I saw many of ladies who lost a LOT of weight some up to 100lbs! I used to wonder why I didn’t see those results. Then one day I worked out with one of them. They pushed themselves harder, they would be sweating when they left! I was doing my little half-hearted jog on the square stations and barely do the # of reps on the machine that I was supposed to. And it doesn’t cost $150. It’s $75 to sign up (I’ve paid that initial cost everywhere else) and $29 mo.
And to Kristen, how many people belonging to other gym’s are enthusiastic about it? A gym is a gym, a place to exert energy in the hopes to live a healthy life. It’s not going shopping or eating out…working out is a must. I would be interested to know where Bridget works out currently….
Btw-Our Curves is for sale and I’m meeting with the owner tomorrow night. I am most likely going to buy it. As a woman who’s tried everything else- Curves is MY solution to working out.
Bridget Wright
Aug 7, 2008 at 11:46 pm
@Alohapuella,
Thanks for your post! So, you’re going to buy a Curves, huh? Please, please, please keep us in the loop on how EVERyTHING goes for you. I want to laugh, I mean um, post about it here and share it with our readers. (You know I’m just kidding about the laughing part).
And, just so’s you know…I am currently working out at The Body Shop gym. No franchise, no chain. Just a female one-owner place.
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